Jeremy Mayfield, Just Shut the Hell UP?
Jeremy Mayfield has broken his silence - when was he ever silent - and consented to air his grievances in an exclusive interview with ESPN.
What precipitated his exiting the Cone of Silence was the recent drug testing that was administered this past Monday. To put it mildly, he ain’t happy which is understandable, but geesh this interview comes off in a stream of misconceptions and disingenuous nonsense.
Mayfield continues to proclaim his innocence, who wouldn’t, but thinks NASCAR is making an example of him and his case:
“I feel like that’s exactly what they thought I was going to be. Exactly. To a ‘T,’” Mayfield said. “Now, all the sudden, Brian’s [France, NASCAR Chairman] coming back saying, ‘Well, we have positive tests all the time.’ Well, if it’s a zero-tolerance policy, how in the hell do you have people testing positive all the time?“Then he comes back and says there’s a list. I forget what big word he used — an exhaustive list of drugs. Everybody in the world has asked him why the drivers don’t have a list. What did he say? Now there’s a list — an exhaustive list. Right? Where’s it at?
Correct, France has been widely quoted as saying others have tested positive. France specifically stated “we have tests all the time where we get positive tests, for one substance or if another or prescribed or over-the-counter and how we handle that is, like I said with the policy; it has some flexibility to that.
That flexibility is why there is a “B” sample in all testing programs, to weed out false positives. Funny how Mayfield skips over that fact. Having a zero tolerance policy doesn’t mean people won’t do what they shouldn’t and get caught doing it.
As for Mayfield’s contention of no published list of banned drugs that may or may not be true. NASCAR consistently says there is, that’s a matter for the court to decide.
What is fact, prior to season start a list was given to all crew members in possession of a hard card. Among the substances NASCAR crews must be tested for are:
Seven different amphetamines, including methamphetamine and PMA, a synthetic psychostimulant and hallucinogen. Three drugs classified under ephedrine. 13 different narcotics, including codeine and morphine. Ten different benzodiazepines and barbituates. Marijuana, cocaine, zolpidem, nitrites, chromates and drugs that can increase specific gravity.
Mayfield claims experts in the field have been critical of NASCAR (correctly so) not having a list for the drivers, and frankly I took the same stance from the very beginning.
But lets be a little realistic here, everyone in and outside the sport was concerned with the new policy before the season started and everyone knew crew members had “the list.” You have to be living a pretty sheltered life, or have so little concern about your career and livelihood not to have sought out a crew member from your own team - you know guys drivers nearly sleep with for ten months a year - to view the list.
At this point in the interview Mayfield goes on a wild rant about the nonsense that went on Monday when NASCAR and Mayfield couldn’t get their collective shit together on a test that was to be given. I won’t bore you with the details, the link provided gives his rant and what has been published by the AP that differs from his story. What’s interesting is Mayfield’s account of what occurred fails to even match that of his own attorney.
Once both sides did get their stuff together and the test was administered, multiple times as it turns out, Mayfield claimed he was forced to provide the specimen while the collectors watched. He said it was “humiliating.”
Well Jesus H. Christ on a Unicycle, one of the recent charges by Mayfield’s lawyer during the Judge Mullen hearing was regarding the chain-of-custody issue and the allegation when his original sample was taken in Richmond no one watched him urinate, nor did they close and seal the sample in his presence. (Something easily disproved as NASCAR claims to have his initials on the original sample bottle)
Now, he’s claiming someone was watching his tally-whacker while doing the dirty deed. Mayfield’s lawyer Diehl needs to teach him about the First Law of Holes. OR. place a gag order on him so he doesn’t look so damn stupid.
Mayfield went on to disparage the integrity of Aegis Labs CEO and Medical Review Officer Dr. Black during a rant about being marked man in the sport
“Forever,” he said. “You know what’s kind of sickening? Several, including Dr. [David] Black, who’s not a doctor, this is what makes you sick, [them saying] ‘Jeremy, if you just go about this quietly you’ll be OK. You’ll be all right.’ Well, bull—-. I’m marked. How do you go about this thing quietly? Tell me that.”
Mayfield’s ignorance is hanging out. Not to mention being a disingenuous buffoon.
Dr. Black is not a medical doctor, to my knowledge no one has every claimed he was, but Mayfield is clouding the issue and trying to score points with his sycophants. In effect he’s saying, “I’m being run out of the sport by some medical quack who holds no degree in medicine.”
Horseshit, Dr. Black holds a doctorate in, wait for it… in forensic toxicology.
Something tells me he not only doesn’t care what Black’s specialty is but hasn’t clue number one what forensic toxicology is.
For the sake of clarification, according to The American Board of Forensic Toxicology (ABFT), forensic toxicology encompasses the measurement of alcohol, drugs and other toxic substances in biological specimens and interpretation of such results in a medicolegal context. (For a detailed introduction to forensic toxicology we recommend you visit the The Society of Forensic Toxicologists, Inc. (SOFT) website. Oh, and hey look. Aegis Labs is listed on their site)
Gee, does anyone except Mayfield really believe Dr. Black isn’t qualified to do the job he’s trained and hire to do by NASCAR?
That’s not to say there hasn’t been some screw-up along the way but as I’ve gone thru my research at every phase of this story the chances of that being the case gets smaller in my mind.
To be brutally honest Mayfield needs to shut the hell up, defending yourself is one thing and should be expected by all those accused, but every time he gets a mic shoved into close proximity he looks like someone trying out for the lead role in a remake of Dumb and Dumber.
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Aw Marc, can’t you take an easier job, like clubbing baby seals on pack ice?
The list of drugs sounds like my recreational menu selections :). All except the drug that increases specific gravity. What in hell can that possibly do for anyone?
Hey George? I thought you were off yours meds. I mean it seems that way when ever I read your work.
:-) LOL
The specific gravity thing relates to things taken that mask other banned drugs that change the specific gravity of your pee-pee. These drugs allegedly return it to normal levels.
As far as my taking an easier job, I’d love to.
But have you seen a single report - by any MSM hack - that has actually looked at some of the agencies and other websites when reporting on this story. Have you seen a single report in the media that NASCAR is not required to follow Fed. guidelines as attorney Diehl has claimed both in public and in court?
Example is in this very report, why did this hack reporter not call Mayfield on his slam of Dr. Black? I’m betting at best, he hasn’t clue one what Black’s education and doctorate is and at worst knows and flubbed the responsibility of his job AND slanted the story in Mayfield’s favor.
To be clear I don’t expect the reporter to get in some kind of food fight over it, but he could have placed an addendum to the article stating Black’s credentials.
You are the guru of illicit drug taking/testing parameters Marc! From what I’ve read lately maybe you should ask some of your commenter’s to file drug testing certificates before posting is allowed. Yours truly included!
Peter you need to understand the difference between prescribed meds and recreationaly enlightening substances.
In your article, you don’t know what your are saying. You must be god dam stupid. You say things on Mayfield there aren’t real. You are not in Mayfield’s position to criticize him. You really don’t know what you are talking about. People like you should thing before speaking, i’m sorry but you don’t have a brain!!!
Tony… I’m not in a position to be critical of Mayfield? Why not?
Is it because in “your world” anyone saying or writing something not matching your opinion has no right to free speech?
Sorry Tony, I can hold whatever opinion and write or broadcast them at my pleasure, and leisure. You’re out of line.
As far as my not having a brain, might I suggest you probably have one but have had an EPIC FAIL in using yours as you made zero effort at detailing just what I have written that is allegedly wrong in the Mayfield case.
What’s not “real” Tony? Prove me wrong… come-on, please debate the facts of the case with me rather than dump your little turd of wisdom and flee the scene.
Thanks for the praise George, I think, but twenty years of watching tally-whackers drain into cups and a bit more than half that time being a drug councilor for the U.S. Navy left me with more knowledge than just blowing up enemy planes, ships and submarines.
Just like Nascar I feel you have already convicted Mayfield without the benefit of hearing his full side of the story. Or at least given him the chance to debunk their findings.
I would be interested in knowing whether or not the other testing entities have actually called into question the methods used by Aegis. If so, it would be up to a jury or judge to decide who has more clout on the issue. Despite what Nascar thinks or does, due process is still an important part of our society. The mere fact that Nascar has not written rule book for all to read and follow is enough to tell me to be wary of anything they do or decide. At the whim of Brian France he can do a 180 on any issue at any time.
As for Mayfields aimless rambling, that can be explained by being an innocent man watching his entire world, career, and reputation being destroyed by a mistake in how a test is reading his meds and the subsequent reaction of the Nascar dictatorship.
mbl
It appears that Tony is one of those many people that think this is some conspiracy by NASCAR to take poor little Jeremy Mayfield down.
Also, maybe Tony should think instead of thinging before speaking.
John D - I couldn’t care one wit what Tony thinks, or “things,” as he writes. He’s nothing more than the typical simpleton that wades into a conversation, but has zero desire to debate anything, makes wild unsubstantiated accusations and leaves.
Screw-em.
As for you Mike, so you think I’ve convicted Mayfield huh? Guess you missed the second to last para where I clearly admit there may be some screw-up on NASCAR’s or the lab part.
Frankly, that’s far from unusual by those that have been rallying to his side.
You claim his “aimless rambling” is due to his possible innocence… NEWSFLASH wether guilty or innocent he has no right to disparage Dr. Black by clearly implying he’s “not a doctor.”
It gives him no right to break his suspension before the ink dried by entering Lowes, it gives him no right to make some BS claim of having taken a hair follicle test, a test that has NEVER been entered into evidence in any court.
He lied about that test plain and simple, OR it was positive just as three tests, one by a completely separate in independent lab has shown to be the case.
And as an aside, it also doesn’t give his lawyer the right to make the false accusation NASCAR program has to follow Fed guidelines, that charge is patently false.
And BTW, you are clearly and dishonestly saying people have no access to the NASCAR rulebook, BS, you and every member of the public can get a copy by paying the associated fee.
So… are you not aware of that or are you just lying for some reason?
You don’t take criticism too well do you Marc? The difference is that I am willing to let due process take its course. I am willing to say he may well be guilty. Aside from one line buried in an article full of condemnation you seem unwilliing to admit he may be inocent.
You are the first person I have ever heard tell me I can get a copy of all the nascar rules. I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide me the information on exactly where I can get it and how much that fee will be.
mbl
No what I don’t take well is baseless accusations that I have completely made up my mind in this matter. And made just because you discount what was written due to being “buried” as you call it.
This has nothing to do with due process, each and every post I’ve written on this subject have been, and well continue to be based on facts in the public domain. As such I have the right and information to form an opinion based on that knowledge and as I said, and have previously, there is a chance he’s innocent but as facts slowly appear that chance is getting smaller in passing.
And to put it mildly, Mayfield’s grandstanding and misrepresentations of the truth is doing nothing for his cause. I suspect his lawyer Diehl is about fed up with his motor-mouth to the press, but that is just speculation.
Now a few questions for you: Have you read the transcript of the court hearing to lift the suspension?
Have you visited and read the governments website (SAMHSA) that publishes and administers Feb regs on drug programs that instructs NASCAR doesn’t in any way have to follow their regs as his lawyer claims?
Have you made any effort to learn a combo of Adderall and Claritin will not cause a false positive as he claims?
Fact is I’ve done it all as evidenced by the posts listed on this one.
And frankly, the fact you’ve replied and ignored each and every fact I pointed out in my response to you says alot, and it isn’t good.
And finally, what do you expect me to instruct you, that are supposedly a fan of the sport, where to get a rulebook?
NASCAR writes the rules and issues them, just where do YOU think would be a good place to start.
P.S. Mike, here’s another little factoid you may not now. Back in February crewman Paul Chodora was the first NASCAR member to be suspended under this new drug policy.
Who is Paul Chodora? He was at the time a member of Mayfield’s pit crew. Odd isn’t it?
One would think a reasonable person would have been concerned enough about his own teammate getting popped for drug use to have inquired then about a banned drug list. Guess that never happened.
Or it did and he’s just using the lack of a drug list as an excuse now.
shut your dumb ass the hell up… nascar is wrong..get over it, its a set up…..
I am not discounting all you have said. Some of it does have merit, IMO. Mayfields aimless rambling does not help, it makes him look stupid. But maybe he is stupid and inocent. Calling into question Dr. Blacks credentials as not being a real doctor is certainly one of those items that makes you roll your eyes.
I have not read the items you listed for a reason, I am not sitting in judgement of him. Reading those things would be in the purveyance of the judge and jury that will have to decide whether or not he is guilty. I am honestly not that interested in, nor am I engrossed in this issue as to feel the need to do so. At this point nascar is putting their spin on everything while Mayfield’s lawyer tries to put his spin out there. You see, I do trust the system of inocent until proven guilty. If he is guilty then strap him down in the electric chair and throw the switch. There is no need for a protracted timeline on the issue either. Drug testing and the standards for it are not new and there should be sufficient data out there for both sides to present their case now, not in 6 months. Get it over with I say. But at least wiat for the verdict. We do not need an angry mob rushing to his house with torches and lanterns yelling “burn down the castle”.
As for the rule book, I was hoping to find out what it costs to join the association. I am guessing it is upwards of $400 at this time. Then is there a further cost for the book? I know if I want a copy of MLB rules I can get one as a fan so I can better understand the sport for $10. I do not have to pay $400-500 to join the league. Again, Nascar’s secrecy and requirement to join their association in order to actually get the information work against the typical fan. Requiring people to pay hundreds of dollars to join your organization in order to have the right to obtain the rules, at an additional cost, is rather elitist. But since this is Nascar we are talking about that statement is redundant. How can a sport expect its fans to understand what is taking place during the competition when 98% of them cannot afford to purchase a rule book. Add to that the 10% of the ones that actually would buy it if they could and you get .2% of the fans that actually have that information. Nascar has long and deep roots for the average American but is becoming more and more the sport of kings. With King Brian sitting on the thrown deciding the rules and how to apply them and when to change them at will. All while the rest of us, the “pissants” if you will, get to chear “Hail to the King”. We have no choice but to eat our gruel and like it since it is the only food we will get.
And lastly, Mayfields objection of drivers not being given “the list” only has so much weight in this one issue. Is he really expecting people to think he did not know Meth was a banned substance? That one does really make you roll your eyes and yes, his lawyer probably fell out of his chair when he heard it. However, why is it that Nascar does not give the list directly to the drivers first and foremost?
I thank you for the exchange.
mbl
Chris, a set-up huh?
Bet you believe in nazi UFO’s the moon being made of green cheese, Big Foot and grassy knolls.
Until you reach a certain mental age, if possible in your case, so you can carry on a reasonable conversation I suggest you piss-OFF.
Not reading pertinate and published available data is sitting in judgment of the case?
Yeah, whatever, if that were the case court records wouldn’t be published for the public to read.
In fact it also allows you to see for yourself a picture much closer to the reality of the situation and one not filtered by a media that is in part corrupt.
Example, when Judge Mullen lifted the suspension he completely discounted one of Mayfield’s own experts who testified during the hearing the amount of Meth found in three separate tests indicated Mayfield was a chronic user of the drug.
Why he did that I have no idea, bit it’s strange it was discounted non-the-less, and BTW, never reported by the media.
As for the rulebook, get over it, if you searched the phrase “Mythical NASCAR Rulebook” here you’d find I use it very often in reference. You will also see where I have called for it to be published to the web, for no reason other than to quiet the chattering masses who whine about it.
Again get over it, 99.9 percent of it is totally useless and an arcane mechanical mish-mash to the average fan, do you or any fan really need to know what and why body sheet metal is a certain thickness, or why fuel lines are mandated by length?
And it’s not $400-500 it’s over $1600 for the hardcard and access to the book.
How’s that for being “elitist?” And whether intentional or not the use of the term may be unmasking you as somewhat anti-NASCAR, which would explain a lot.
marc with a c
at least my name don’ have to be spell checked
in case you don’t know the score is 1 to nothing, in favor of mayfield dumb ass . when he wins this game that nascar is playing maybe you can get a real job like holding the cup . and the next time you want to tell some one to piss-off or shut the hell up. call us 704-455-0410….
I guess I have wasted the last 16 years of watching Nascar races then. I am not anti-Nascar, I am against many of the dictatorship ways in which Nascar is run. Much the same way a person can protest our own government actions and not be anti-American. As a man that holds himself out to be well educated I would have thought you would have known the difference.
Thanks for taking the bait and giving the answer I asked for in the first place on the membership and rule book. Had you just answered it the first time I asked we could have avoided all the cat and mouse.
I can see why you would side with Brian France in almost any and every issue. You have the same God complex as he. I have appreciated the exchange but I will not be back. I was given the link to this page by someone that felt you had a different angle on the Mayfield issue than the ESPN article gave. You sure do. In fact, it appears a little too unhealthy of an interest to me. Have you contacted the judge yet to offer him some advice? I would not be surprised if you have.
As you tried to “read” me let me give you a try. You live alone as the first two wives you had left you and have had little luck finding another mate. You have few friends and do not know why but everyone that meets you does. You are of above average IQ, probably in the 140-145 range, but have no social skills. I am not refering to manners, I am refering to the ability to carry on a conversation in a social environment without offending almost every person you meet. You are well read on a variety of subjects and seek perfection. Yet you fail to understand that it is the imperfections that make each project, each item, each person, unique.
Perhaps one day you will learn to accept the things you cannot change and accept that there are people out there with differing views than your own. And more importantly that yes, you may well be wrong about something, anything. I doubt it but maybe one day the light will come on.
mbl
Chris for someone who started their first comment here with “shut your dumb ass the hell up” deserve all the derision that can be heaped upon you.
For not being civil, not making the slightest effort at conversation, not noting the “commenting note” on each and every post here about posting “inane drivel” AND not following the published comment policy here, you’re officially banned for being an asshole.
And BTW, your extreme lack of formal education is showing Marc can and is spelled more than one way. Moron.
Bye
P.S. fuck you to.
Mike - “I can see why you would side with Brian France in almost any and every issue. You have the same God complex as he.
And you know this how? It damn sure isn’t from reading this blog or even making the small effort reading the posts on this issue. Nice try, but in the end a failure.
If you need an example, ’cause you obviously have zero compulsion to look for true info on your own, I’ve have consistently called Brian France either HWSBO (He Who Shall be Obeyed) or PCNA (People’s Commissar of NASCAR Affairs)
“As you tried to “read” me let me give you a try.”
Yeah, you got me, but as your childish response demonstrates I was spot on with my assumption, you weren’t within a country, mile. Now go get more lessons from your possible mentor Kreskin because your ability at divining anything close to factual truth rivals that scam artist.
Bye, see-ya, don’t let the modem hit you on the ass on the way out.
Ok I admit that my open wheel elitism is shining through, but how is it that whenever any controversy emerges in NASCAR it polarizes the fans into two camps, one of rational debate & the other of rabid, blind dedication to “their” driver. Several of the posts above contain no detail in regard to the writer’s pro Mayfield stance.
“nascar is wrong..get over it, its a set up”; OK I’m going to need a bit more information on who, what, where, when & how, let alone why?
My take on the whole thing; apart from using the old shoot the messenger defense, Mayfield has mounted an argument that seems to revolve around interpreting legal technicalities. Faced with the loss of a multi -million dollar income his equally well remunerated lawyers are trying anything & everything.
Anyway, that is what I “thing”…….& that’s coming from a guy who posted a piece on this site, this very week, titled “No tin foil hat required”
I’ve got to hand it to you marc, you really do attract the lunatic fringe on occasions.
Marc,
I do see where you are coming from to a degree. I however do try to follow the policy of our legal system that someone is innocent until proven guilty. The problem with the Mayfield issue though is, even if found guilty, people will continue to suspect that he was in fact using drugs, therefore his career (such as it was) is still basically over. I’d hate to see an innocent man branded for life as being a drug user if innocent. He will never get funding from any major sponsorships again either way. I think what some are trying to make you understand is that this man’s career and reputation are ruined even if innocent. That being said, I have some experience as well working with those on drugs and never, have I ever seen a drug test come back positive for mixing Claritin (an allergy medication) and any ADHD medication. False positives do occur, but they sure don’t come back as being positive for Meth if in fact these were the two types of legal medications Jeremy was mixing.
Any drug test given by any doctor who knows what they are doing starts out with the testee giving a list of medications that they are currently taking before the test. That list of medications is taken into account or rather discounted should a positive for something show up after the results are returned. My issue with Mayfield is that even if the test is/was false, he must not have disclosed what medications he was currently taking. If that is the case, then yes….he would be fairly stupid. That being said, he has hired a lawyer and is paying a ton of money to proclaim his innocence in a court of law even though if found innocent, he like the rest of us know his career is still over. Would a guilty man do that?
Kim
Peter, you have it pegged, his shysters are using the “look at the shiny ball” defense trying distract attention from the main point that is the guy popped positive three times from two differing and independent labs.
As for the loonys and semi-loonys like Mike who thinks I’m subverting the process by reading public documents and commenting on Mayfield’s comments, I haven’t clue number one why they do what they do. I just deal with it.
As far as my lunatic fringe - look in the mirror. And how ’bout that Mark Webber?
Kim, Ive never denied your point he’s a marked man regardless how it turns out.
But I will point out it may not be the end.
Recall Shane Hmiel’s case. He was busted, followed the procedure to return and did. Hmiel was busted a second time and returned only to refuse to take a test after being allowed to race again. That resulted in a ban for life.
So for Mayfield to claim he’s ruined forever is nothing but hyperbole, Hmiel’s case proves it and Mayfield would presumably have the advantage of being innocent where Hmiel was guilty as hell.
That said, Mayfield was at the end of the line anyway and was damaged goods since first, being fired from Penske under a cloud, then by pulling his shenanigans when fired from Evernham’s race team.
Since his stunt with Evernham he’s been a “marked man” and no large well monied team has come close to giving the guy a quality ride.
Marc,
Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of Mayfield’s by any means. I have personally always thought the guy was a subpar driver, certainly not a top-tier driver and an ass at that. You’re right about his “shenaigans” as well. He is a marked man regardless. No superior team such as Hendrick, Gibbs or Rousch would touch the guy as he has proven time and time again that he is a problem, which I am assuming is why he finally started his own team. I don’t feel sorry for him by any means. I just don’t like to see someone who might be innocent get strung up by a noose before all the facts are out. Innocent until proven guilty is the rule I follow. I am sure though we will not know for a very long time whether he actually is or isn’t since both he and NASCAR are going to abuse the legal system for months/years. Now there’s something I have a problem with!
Kim
BTW: I have always wondered and assumed that all drivers in NASCAR are insured/bonded. Who does the insuring and bonding? Is it a private company, do they belong to a union or do the owners of each team/driver have to privately insure their driver? I am curious because this has never been mentioned anywhere in this whole Mayfield case. I would assume that after an incident like this, no one in their right mind would insure a driver who has been accused of abusing Meth. Is this in fact the case? If so, that could explain one reason he has won a temporary order in his favor to continue to race, but has been a no show at the past two races.
Kim
Kim, true, innocence until proven guilty is the law of the land and whether you believe it or not NASCAR as well.
The key point is until the Mayfield case guilty meant a second and confirming positive test result (Three in his case) and has been the case for about twenty years NASCAR has done testing not just under the new program.
That Mayfield has raised a stink, so to speak may, in fact may indicate innocence, it may also show his obstinate and “unwilling to play along with authority” side of his personalty that was key to both his Penske and Evernham firings.
Further more, whether it be the NFL, MLB or the NHL a second test is proof positive of guilt just as in NASCAR. They may all vary in how their individual programs work with regard to requirements to get back on the playing field but initial test results in all of them have been proven to this point sufficient at proving guilt.
As to your second points, there is no union, and in all likelihood never will be.
NASCAR drivers, and in fact those in most forms of the sport, are so called independent contractors, as such the the sanctioning bodies are not responsible for their insurance, retirement, and other benefits.
What most drivers do is start their own companies. The race team issues a check to their company, and the driver draws a salary from that company. The established company provides the driver with their insurance, handles their taxes, manages investments and retirement, and other benefits.
Because their companies are small by most standards insurance premiums are normally sky high because of the inherent danger involved in being a professional race car driver.
As far as Jeremy not racing after the suspension was lifted by judge Mullen, chalk that up to just being flat-busted out of money and no sponsor willing to give him any. News late last week reported he was in the process of selling whatever equip he owed, what little there is, to someone.
Marc,
“”Have you made any effort to learn a combo of Adderall and Claritin will not cause a false positive as he claims?”"
The following is from the link in your post>
” l-meth is the active ingredient in inhalers like Vicks. (This is why Mayfield was asked specifically if he had used Vicks. The other form dextromethamphetamine or d-methamphetamine is what we know as meth.”
Why would Nascar ask Mayfield if he had taken Vicks, if they were sure that what he had taken would not cause a false positive for “meth”? This is the part of the story I don’t understand. There is one side that says you can’t have a false positive and the other says you can. Even in the “posts” for the above link, a Dr. posted that you can have a false positive. (see post below) I don’t think we have all the answers yet as to if a person can have a false positive or not.
“”" Comment from: Dr. Walt Martinson [Visitor] Email
The truth is, Mayfield will walk on this. Guilty or innocent, it does not matter. The combination of preparations he took will easily leave the “i-” and “d-” markers the tests look for.
His ADHD medication was supposedly prescribed to him, so he is fine there and the other meds are all legal, over the counter agents that when taken, in varying degrees, will break down into the absolute core components that “meth” metabolizes into. “”"
There are too many different opinions out there for me to come to a conclusion either way.
I think your article is well written and you have said everything I have suspected since the beginning of this whole she-bang started. I have been a fan of NASCAR and racing for as long as I can remember of my 51 years. From the Flock Bros to Cale and AJ and so on. I think I remember in my way younger years reading about them putting in a no drinking rule on race day (if I remember right) thus beginning the era of early testing. Jeremy (and a few others through the years) have fought the common sense rules of “normal” behavour thus putting a red flag on my view. Now if I can see the strangeness of thier behavour both on T.V. and at qualifying and pratices from the pits, why wouldn’t NASCAR. A set-up? I think not. Maybe these drivers should see how they are acting and not make people even wonder what drugs they are doing to act so strangely.
As for unions, if the normal 50 or so teams that go to the tracks every weekend do not like the rules, there are 1,000’s more would LOVE the chance to be in thier place.
Another Point:: From the link
“”The use of something like Adderall or Claritin-D that could produce amphetamines in the urine as a byproduct would produce both types of molecules, which leads me to wonder whether the reason Dr. Black said that there was “no way” the combination of the two over-the-counter medicines could have produced the result they saw is because they detected only the d- version of amphetamine molecules and the over-the-counter medications would have produced both l- and d- versions. (And if you used Vick’s, you’d find only the l-version.”"”
Again it seems a little “funny” that they would ask Mayfield if he had taken Vicks. According to this article Vicks would have produced both l and d versions. But if had been just meth then only the d-version. Just gets more confusing for me.
As you note there are differing opinions, and why I haven’t totally made up my mind on either side of the issue.
In answer to your question is, they would ask because use of Vicks raises the possibility of a false positive.
However, there is nothing in the public record Mayfield claimed he had been taking Vicks. He’s said he did and it’s been quoted in many MSM sources, but at this point given he’s flung more BS than is contained in forty acres of cow pasture his word means little to nothing to me unless uttered under oath.
The “vicks” was only an example. I am assuming Nascar was guessing because they found the l-version in the sample along with the d-version, which according to the article and Dr. Martinson Adderall Claritin-D would produce. Again why would they ask the question if the L-version was not shown in their tests.
Um, maybe because after getting an “A” sample positive result there is an entire series of questions mandated be asked and related to various over-the-counter drugs that would potentially cause a false positive.
It makes both logical and legal sense it would be asked prior to testing the second sample.
EDIT: Here are some examples of the above, someone taking Motrin, Bayer Select Pain Relief Formula or Excedrin can pop a false positive for Marijuana. Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed, Allerest and Dimetapp can all turn up as Ecstacy or Amphetamine usage.
And in case you’re interested, here are all the posts relating to this subject.
see ya in indy dumb ass…. sponsor is back.. call marty smith.. maybe you can steal his store too.. ha ha ha
Do ya think?
Check that, you don’t think. Or don’t fully comprehend what you read. It’s possible he has a sponsor, nothings been signed, nothings set in stone and you’re grasping at a very thin reed.
If Smallsponsor.com fails to get more partners to lay out the cash he and his race team are sitting at home next weekend.
And BTW, as promised the last time you left a turd of wisdom here you, your URL and Email addy was banned from the site.
However in an effort to show just how delusional you truly are I kicked this comment out of the moderation bin.
P.S. Not to put too fine a point on it, maybe you should call Mayfield’s last remaining employee, general manager Bobby Wooten,
He just resigned saying “he does not believe Mayfield has any interest in resurrecting the team.”
So, brainiac, just how will he put anything on the Indy starting grid, and more importantly how will Smallsponsor.com find additional cash to put him there when he has no crew chief, car chief or pitcrew members?
I await your answer, which no doubt will be filled with four letter words and other childish invective.
P.P.S. NASCAR says Jeremy Mayfield has again tested positive for methamphetamine and wants the federal judge who lifted the driver’s drug suspension to reinstate the ban.
The positive result from a July 6 random test was included in a U.S. District Court filing Wednesday.
The filing includes an affidavit from Mayfield’s stepmother, who claims she personally witnessed the driver using methamphetamine at least 30 times over seven years.
Oh God, it had to be his stepmother not his biological mother didn’t it? I can hear the conspiracy theorists & lunatic fringe already.
If anything will throw fuel on the fire of blind faith in Mayfield’s “victim” status that is it.
Marc, time to bury your head in the sand on this one, you know how it goes, “you lead a horse to water…….then you have to drown it”
Yeah, my “buddy” chris love has already returned to gloat. And banned agian.
That said his step mother has already been outed as a borderline nutcake, or full fledged one take your pick, and been dismissed.
[...] guess we can assume the sample wasn’t witnessed as no claim is made he was “harassed” by someone watching him [...]