Comments on: NASCAR Feeds The Conspiracy Theorists http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists A Member of the Thunder Lounge Network Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:38:30 +0000 http://thunderlounge.com/?v=2.6 By: Tim Zaegel http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6399 Tim Zaegel Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:33:23 +0000 http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6399 I don't know how many engines they tested after Milwuakee, or whose they were for that matter, but nascar.com stated that the dyno tests after that race had Toyota peaking at 632, Dodge at 628, 612 for Chevy, and 611 for Ford. I don’t know how many engines they tested after Milwuakee, or whose they were for that matter, but nascar.com stated that the dyno tests after that race had Toyota peaking at 632, Dodge at 628, 612 for Chevy, and 611 for Ford.

]]> By: Marc http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6383 Marc Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:09:23 +0000 http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6383 I agree to a point Peter. They along with the rest were given a new engine package/design to work with when the Toys entered NASCAR because they didn't have a V-8 pushrod block on the Toy production line. As a result they have had the newest of the new. Chevy just last year rolled out a block based on the new approved design but it hasn't been approved to run in the Nationwide series yet. The reality is it's not the Toys per-se but the Toys built by the Gibbs team, the rest of the Toys are suckin' buttermilk trying to catch-up. I agree to a point Peter. They along with the rest were given a new engine package/design to work with when the Toys entered NASCAR because they didn’t have a V-8 pushrod block on the Toy production line.

As a result they have had the newest of the new. Chevy just last year rolled out a block based on the new approved design but it hasn’t been approved to run in the Nationwide series yet.

The reality is it’s not the Toys per-se but the Toys built by the Gibbs team, the rest of the Toys are suckin’ buttermilk trying to catch-up.

]]> By: peterg http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6382 peterg Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:22:58 +0000 http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6382 At the end of the day, Toy turned up with a better engine & it's legal....nuff said. At the end of the day, Toy turned up with a better engine & it’s legal….nuff said.

]]> By: Marc http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6381 Marc Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:39:39 +0000 http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6381 A couple things on the Milwuakee ref. None of the current articles on the rule change mention it being used in shifting policy and if it was I have a question.... Was it the same 10 engines, or rather from the same ten teams as tested after Chi-town. If not the data obtained is worthless for averaging into the possible outcome. As for GM, Dodge and Ford they only have themselves to blame. Way back when, 3 years exactly, NASCAR's engine-of-the-future died a slow death because the then current Toyota and Dodge engine designs were technically superior to then Ford and Chevrolet engines, and Ford and GM thought the new design favored them even more. The Mahogany table fight got too ugly and NASCAR gave up any thoughts of a new engine A couple things on the Milwuakee ref.

None of the current articles on the rule change mention it being used in shifting policy and if it was I have a question….

Was it the same 10 engines, or rather from the same ten teams as tested after Chi-town. If not the data obtained is worthless for averaging into the possible outcome.

As for GM, Dodge and Ford they only have themselves to blame.

Way back when, 3 years exactly, NASCAR’s engine-of-the-future died a slow death because the then current Toyota and Dodge engine designs were technically superior to then Ford and Chevrolet engines, and Ford and GM thought the new design favored them even more.

The Mahogany table fight got too ugly and NASCAR gave up any thoughts of a new engine

]]> By: Tim Zaegel http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6379 Tim Zaegel Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:43:46 +0000 http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/nascar-feeds-the-conspiracy-theorists#comment-6379 Very good dissection of this whole charade, Mark. One thing I have to point out, though, is that the rule they implimented was not based on a single testing, as they also tested the engines (albeit on a smaller scale) following Milwuakee. My thought on it is that the only advantage Toyota has is that they put their money in the right spot. I've always understood it that GM and Ford could have converted to the same engine styles that Toyota's been running, but the transition would have cost them quite a bit of coin that they're not willing to fork over for the sake of the Nationwide Series. Very good dissection of this whole charade, Mark. One thing I have to point out, though, is that the rule they implimented was not based on a single testing, as they also tested the engines (albeit on a smaller scale) following Milwuakee. My thought on it is that the only advantage Toyota has is that they put their money in the right spot. I’ve always understood it that GM and Ford could have converted to the same engine styles that Toyota’s been running, but the transition would have cost them quite a bit of coin that they’re not willing to fork over for the sake of the Nationwide Series.

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