Nationwide CoT - Splitting the Difference?
Eyes, left.
Is it safe to say the new Nationwide car is splitting the difference between it and the configuration of the Sprint Cup car?
Looks like it to me, splitter in front and traditional spoiler, vice wing, bringing up the rear. (Alas, no Pony Cars that were basically given the heave-ho by the manufacturers.)
Looks can be deceiving thought there’s more changes than can be seen.
Under the skin the car features conventional spring suspension instead of bump stops, which should send more than a few crew chiefs giving Alms to the NASCAR Deity of their choosing.
As presumably a cost-cutting move the new car will sit on a 110 inch chassis, an increase of 5 inches, and allow teams to utilize it for the Cup Series if desired. Of course that also means the opposite, Cup teams will find it easier to shift to Nationwide and at less expense.
As you can tell I’m not drinking Robin Pemberton’s Kool-Aid: “You’re not going to come from the Cup garage like in years past where your bring your four springs and your four shocks and set ‘em down in the Nationwide car and you go off and you dominate a race,” Pemberton said.
No Robin they will, as seen in the Cup CoT “era,” just build complete and separate cars and “go off and dominate a race.” Or three races. Or an entire season. And now, it appears it will be cheaper for them to accomplish.
But obviously the jury is still out. But my “jury pool” is tainted. Sorry, you’ll have to show me.
Marc I’m curious. Why do you think this will be less expensive for the Cup teams to go NNS racing? You lost me.
For the same reason Pemberton says it will be cheaper for NNS teams to move into Cup, this quote: “You’re not going to come from the Cup garage like in years past where your bring your four springs and your four shocks and set ‘em down in the Nationwide car and you go off and you dominate a race,”
A Cup team does the opposite of that and walla… they are ready for NNS at presumably a cheaper cost than is now, i.e. build an entire new car.
However, this assumes other than the wing the templates are the same, something we have no way of knowing at present due to NASCAR’s secrecy.
And on that note, I find it interesting the media hasn’t had spies or un-named sources in and around the R&D facility long before now and more info is available.
I wonder… did NASCAR impose an agreed upon news embargo on the press?
In the long run won’t interchangeable chassis make it cheaper for everyone. Small budget teams will be able to buy perfectly good used chassis from big bucks teams and be competitive. Though I agree big bucks teams will have the initial advantage.
What happened to the idea of using the camaro, challenger, and mustang for the NNS?
The Pony Car idea was shot down fairly early because Toyota has no platforms sold in the US market that fit the Pony6 car design.l It’s final death came about when Ford put their Mustang marketing funds into pimping it via a road racing effort.
Aside of the safety factor,doesn’t anyone think the cot suck?
A lot of people think that. On the other hand a lot of people complain about each and everything NASCAR does.
My biggest complaint from it’s outset was the testing program NASCAR R&D conducted not the car itself.
Moreover, if you base your anti-CoT position on drivers comments well… guess what? Drivers have whined, complained and wet the panties for time immemorial about any changes to a car.
[...] what I missed at the time was the Dodge [...]
There is no way the Dodge will be competitive with a nose like that…damn dumbasses. The people that approved the car were either drunk, stupid, or both. The whole point of the COT was to make the cars equal, not more different
Razer13, you’re a prime example of “you can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time.”
Perchance can you recall the largest complaint about the current Sprint Cup CoT?
If it needs refreshing, it’s because no matter the make of car they all look the same!
Not only that the image in this post is of the Ford Fusion, not a Dodge. Confused much? THIS is the Dodge Challenger NNS CoT not the one depicted here.
And BTW, by what divine authority have you determined the Challenger is a bad choice and will not be competitive?
Think about it, how long has it been since the cars have looked different? At least now it is all the same and more so equally competitive.
It’s not like back in the day where you had the Superbird. All that it was was a modified juiced limited production Charger that sold to the public so they could race it in NASCAR. Later on, the damn thing was banned.
The Dodge won’t be competitive is because the grill portion will create monumental drag that will slow it a ton on superspeedways.
With Ford and Chevy shooting down the Pony car idea it is just a lost idea of a bunch of NASCAR executives right now.
Face it, they are working towards a common template. Toyotas are very competitive and the others will want to be to with the camry COT being more mainstream than a pont car would be.
So, the more intelligent manufactuerers (Ford and Chevy) went and the safe route and made their’s alike to make it equal.
Hopefully, soon enough, Dodge will follow suit.
Razer13 - Do you have the first friggin’ clue on this subject?
You claim Ford and Chevy went “the safe route” by making “their’s alike.”
If you think the Mustang and Camaro are even close to resembling each other forward of the “A” piller your living in loonyville, and secondly Chevy is not even going to run it in
NNS so it matters little what the hell it looks like.
All I can say is that the only thing we know for sure is we don’t know anything as to what the final versions of the car will look like and precisely all of the designated models for each manufactuer as well…
If you look online you really can’t find out much, nobody really knows anything for sure.
Everybody thought it was gonna be all ponies except Toyota…then Chevy confirmed they wouldn’t be running a Camaro…then Ford shows up with a fusion like car…? hmm interesting
The worse of the economy is yet to come they say…so the car could be changed even more? The more I talk about it the more the COT makes me want to barf!
I miss the good ol’ days where if a car got sideways at Dega’ or Daytona, you knew he was going to be flipping all over then place!
Ah-huh, and there it is. You desire “flipping all over the place,” cars design and looks takes a back seat.
I’m done with you - bye-bye.
Hey, if you haven’t noticed there has never been any true muscle cars in NASCAR such as Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, and Cudas.
Instead, They had to run big cars that weigh more like Torinos and Chargers to keep them down on the track.
Other than that you saw crappy Buicks, Oldsmobile, AMC Matador & Javelin (some real dogs), and stuff like that.
The Charger was never meant to be a muscle car but gained notoriety for being the first car in NASCAR to do 200mph.
Also, don’t like it when “cars design and looks takes a back seat” ? Better get used to it, because that’s NASCAR’s new motto.
Gee, as a fan since first attending the nineteen sixty four Daytona event I just NEVER noticed that, can you see the sarcasm in that remark?
And really, you need to take a community college course on Reading Comprehension, I never said I gave a damn one way of the other about car design.
Bye, go troll somewhere else.
Man we are glad you two arn’t making the rules for Nascar! 1st the super bird was a Plymonth (Dodge had the Daytona)2nd no mater which typ car they will require, safty has proven to be the key factor for the cot development. If the drivers or owners dont like it,move to ARCA, that seems to be the burial grounds for all the old cou & bush cars anyway. And face it ,a true fan is not wanting to see flips & crashes, but close hard competive racing. If not then all you should do is buy a peice of crap klunker and go demo-racing!
Dennis, not sure who that snark was directed at, but it damn sure wasn’t me [author of this post and blog] as I’ve never claimed such.
That said, why hang around a post that’s 18 months old, you want Plymouth Superbird? Fine I got your Plymouth Superbird right here.